[12:29:18 PM] Ginger Marks says: Hello ladies. It's Networking 101 time, once again.
[12:30:41 PM] Sue Dent says: Hello Ginger!
[12:31:13 PM] Ginger Marks says: Hi Sue! Welcome!
[12:31:22 PM] Ginger Marks says: Great to have you join us here.
[12:32:26 PM] Ginger Marks says: Today I thought we would discuss, eBooks.
[12:32:47 PM] Ginger Marks says: Are they worth it? If so, how do you use them to build your business?
[12:32:51 PM] Sue Dent says: Is anybody else here, or are we a bit early?
[12:33:02 PM] Ginger Marks says: No, we are on time.
[12:33:10 PM] Ginger Marks says: Sometimes we get off to a slow start.
[12:33:41 PM] Ginger Marks says: I tried out another chatroom last week so may have confused a few folks.
[12:33:44 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[12:34:25 PM] Ginger Marks says: Julie Wolf may have a few things to say about eBooks, and Patrysha Korchinski too, for that matter.
[12:34:54 PM] Ginger Marks says: Have you delved into the world of ebooks yet, Sue?
[12:35:26 PM] Ginger Marks says: I know Nancy Kaye uses them too.
[12:35:51 PM] Sue Dent says: not really, I have several on my pc, and I've read some of them!
[12:36:14 PM] Ginger Marks says: And Helen is doing a whole 99 series books that are coming out both in paperback and digital products.
[12:36:37 PM] Ginger Marks says: So, why would a business owner invest time and money in creating eBooks?
[12:37:30 PM] Sue Dent says: well, I've seen them used as hooks, to get people into what you're doing, offer them a free ebook and then get them to buy something else
[12:38:19 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes, that is one way to use them.
[12:38:41 PM] Ginger Marks says: Their main purpose is to make money.
[12:38:59 PM] Ginger Marks says: This can be done though list building or direct sales.
[12:39:11 PM] Ginger Marks says: They also, lend credibility to the author.
[12:39:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: With only 5% of the population being authors, people look up to anyone who has written or published works.
[12:40:12 PM] Ginger Marks says: The benefit to eBooks over print is the cost factor.
[12:40:29 PM] Ginger Marks says: eBooks can be as long or short as you want.
[12:41:10 PM] Ginger Marks says: They can be business tools, or just for fun (a good read).
[12:41:19 PM] Sue Dent says: I quite like ebooks myself
[12:41:39 PM] Ginger Marks says: There are folks who perfer eBooks, and of course, those who don't.
[12:42:06 PM] Ginger Marks says: With print books you have strict publishing guidelines that must be followed.
[12:42:16 PM] Ginger Marks says: Where, with eBooks, they can be FUN!
[12:43:03 PM] Sue Dent says: I actually read more stuff online than off these days
[12:43:10 PM] Ginger Marks says: You can add color and design. And you don't have the costs involved in printing.
[12:43:17 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Good morning...
[12:43:21 PM] Ginger Marks says: There's Patrysha!
[12:43:22 PM] Sue Dent says: morning Patrysha
[12:43:26 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Just reading over to catch up :)
[12:43:27 PM] Ginger Marks says: Welcome.
[12:43:32 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Was out and about this morning...
[12:43:55 PM] Ginger Marks says: Have you been using eBooks for your business?
[12:43:58 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Ooh okay I have lots to say on e-books :)
[12:44:04 PM] Ginger Marks says: I knew you would!
[12:44:05 PM] Ginger Marks says: LOL
[12:44:14 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Yes, though depending on the market you call them different things...
[12:44:33 PM] Ginger Marks says: Yes, and they come in many different types.
[12:44:34 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: special reports, digital books and other phrases that resonate with the target market...
[12:44:55 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: in some target markets saying e-book scares them into thinking it is going to be techie...
[12:44:58 PM] Ginger Marks says: PDF, Mobipocket, Kindle, iPhone, etc
[12:45:24 PM] Ginger Marks says: can you give an example, Patrysha?
[12:46:39 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Well I just call my profit marketing book a digital book because it is aimed at small business owners. and trust me some of them have issues using their cell phones...lol
[12:46:55 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[12:47:05 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: but that one is actually just a digital copy of my hard copy book that I gave out locally
[12:47:18 PM] Sue Dent says: so just a tad challenged in the techie dept then!
[12:47:51 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I call my newest (hopefully) lead generation one a case study...
[12:48:09 PM] Xarah says: i'm here
[12:48:12 PM] Ginger Marks says: I like that title.
[12:48:25 PM] Ginger Marks says: Welcome Xarah, all the way from Switzerland!
[12:48:31 PM] Xarah says: worth to read or to write ebooks?
[12:48:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: write or tool for business
[12:49:15 PM] Ginger Marks says: for example, I had a membership to an eBook library. We could use the books as give aways or sell them.
[12:49:47 PM] Ginger Marks says: I didn't have to do the research or write them. That was a great tool, while it lasted.
[12:50:19 PM] Ginger Marks says: So where DO you start?
[12:50:30 PM] Xarah says: and you can change or amend content if needed
[12:50:34 PM] Ginger Marks says: Is research necessary?
[12:50:36 PM] Xarah says: and ebooks can become viral
[12:50:49 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Me, I start with an idea and write and then outline and then review and then re-arrange and edit...
[12:51:03 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes, and if you use A/V (audio/video) that makes them even more compelling.
[12:51:06 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: and then I usually sit on it 'till they become obsolete...bwa ha ah
[12:51:16 PM] Ginger Marks says: lolololol
[12:51:26 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I am quite bad about that at times...
[12:51:38 PM] Ginger Marks says: I have one report that I added an audio opening and closing message.
[12:51:52 PM] Ginger Marks says: That is well received.
[12:52:31 PM] Ginger Marks says: Let's people get to, at least listen to your voice. Then they feel they know you a bit better.
[12:52:44 PM] Ginger Marks says: Which is the key before "know, like, trust."
[12:52:46 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: hey I did video last week :)
[12:52:55 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: It was all a bit of a flop, but I did it :)
[12:52:57 PM] Ginger Marks says: Yeah! Brave Patrysha!
[12:53:06 PM] Ginger Marks says: At least you did it!
[12:53:12 PM] Ginger Marks says: Hi there Sandy!
[12:53:15 PM] Ginger Marks says: Welcome.
[12:53:20 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: r we here
[12:53:31 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wct-test if you want to laugh :)
[12:53:32 PM] Ginger Marks says: been here, talking about eBooks.
[12:53:35 PM] Xarah says: that's really interesting to add voice to your ebook
[12:53:35 PM] Ginger Marks says: lolol
[12:53:41 PM] Ginger Marks says: brave Patrysha!
[12:53:45 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: actually nah, you won't laugh some of it was good information...
[12:53:49 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: sorry im late
[12:54:01 PM] Xarah says: Trisha, you can use animoto to create videos, but that's not the topic of today ;)
[12:54:07 PM] Ginger Marks says: going to check it out, brb
[12:54:08 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: just not the way I pictured it going...of course I am going off topic now...
[12:54:30 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Xarah, done many animoto's...
[12:54:46 PM] Xarah says: i just learned i could add text
[12:54:46 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: toufee was another one I tried too...
[12:55:06 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: but that's not ebooks...let me think of good ebook advice...hmmm
[12:55:10 PM] Xarah says: anyway, i did start to write an ebook but in german and i would need to do more research, add more valuable content to it and translate it all into english
[12:55:23 PM] Xarah says: but i think a video and some audio would go great with it
[12:55:47 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I think a lot of times we overcomplicate the e-book process...thinking we have to give all the info out at one go...
[12:56:20 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: when really you don't need to make them long and complete, just enough information to get the reader started and then contact you with more in-depth questions and advice
[12:57:37 PM] Xarah says: or use it as a "seal" (don't know if i use the right word here) to sell an ecourse which is what i had in mind too
[12:58:10 PM] Xarah says: ideas for that ebook keep changing depending on what i have just learned about
[12:58:24 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Oh yes, I did that before...only to generate interest in a teleseminar which led to a membership site...
[12:59:00 PM] Ginger Marks says: If you are interested in seeing how to add audio to your ebook register here to get a copy of the one I did. http://www.theauthorsadvantage.com/
[12:59:18 PM] Ginger Marks says: Authors Advantage Publishing Guidelines
[12:59:46 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: hmm seal is not quite the right word, but I know exactly what you are talking about...my husband is not here to translate a good german word into an English one that would fit
[1:00:04 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: cool
[1:00:48 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes, and you can also, partner with other business owners to give away or promote each other's products and services.
[1:00:58 PM] Xarah says: the thing you use to fish a fish
[1:01:10 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: lure
[1:01:11 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes. lure,
[1:01:13 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[1:01:26 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: or bait
[1:01:38 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: (rofl)
[1:01:39 PM] Ginger Marks says: Then you can also actually SELL them.
[1:01:44 PM] Ginger Marks says: What a novel idea, eh?
[1:01:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[1:01:54 PM] Ginger Marks says: novel, get it? LOLOL
[1:01:56 PM] Xarah says: bait is what i was looking for
[1:02:10 PM] Xarah says: :D
[1:02:16 PM] Xarah says: a novel ebook
[1:02:17 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: ha ha...got it Ginger :)
[1:02:33 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: u talking about Amazon
[1:02:39 PM] Ginger Marks says: So why would you want to use an eBook for 'bait?'
[1:02:50 PM] Ginger Marks says: what would you wish to accomplish?
[1:03:13 PM] Xarah says: to sell something, a product that is mentioned in the book or a memembership site or a paid ecourse for instance
[1:03:14 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: In marketing terms it is called the rule of recipricocity...
[1:03:15 PM] Ginger Marks says: Amazon is one way to sell them.
[1:03:18 PM] Xarah says: or to get traffic to your site
[1:03:27 PM] Ginger Marks says: However, they only sell Kindle books now, not PDFs
[1:03:46 PM] Ginger Marks says: I like that term Patrysha.
[1:03:54 PM] Ginger Marks says: That's what I am talking about!
[1:03:59 PM] Ginger Marks says: Give to Get!
[1:04:15 PM] Ginger Marks says: What would you WANT to GET?
[1:04:16 PM] Xarah says: what does recipricocity mean?
[1:04:19 PM] Ginger Marks says: That is the question.
[1:04:28 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: When someone gets something for free it triggers the "oweing" feeling in the reciever...and ties the value of the ebook (or other gift) to the giver...
[1:04:30 PM] Ginger Marks says: see above Xarah
[1:05:00 PM] Ginger Marks says: So you would give it away to gain....
[1:05:12 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: yes
[1:05:39 PM] Xarah says: yes
[1:05:52 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Technical meaning is social norm of in-kind responses to the behavior of others
[1:05:54 PM] Xarah says: if it's bigger, with iimages and really worth something i might sell it
[1:06:14 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: the more u give, the more u receive
[1:06:56 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Basically it means if someone gives you something, you are inclined to give that person back
[1:06:59 PM] Julie Wolf says: hi - is it meeting time right now?
[1:07:08 PM] Ginger Marks says: Welcome Julie!
[1:07:18 PM] Ginger Marks says: We are discussing eBooks and their value.
[1:07:18 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Hi Julie! Long time, no see!
[1:07:25 PM] Ginger Marks says: How to create them too.
[1:07:34 PM] Julie Wolf says: oh... right up my ally
[1:07:38 PM] Julie Wolf says: maybe Ill stay.
[1:07:40 PM] Ginger Marks says: :D
[1:07:41 PM] Ginger Marks says: lolol
[1:07:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: Please share!
[1:08:22 PM] Julie Wolf says: what are we sharring - should I scroll up to catch up?
[1:08:43 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: y, u
[1:09:03 PM] Julie Wolf says: hi PK!
[1:09:45 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I create mine primarily in Open Office Writer and then turn them into PDF...though I have done some in Publisher and then turned them PDF...of course graphics I tend to do in GIMP and then add them to the written parts...
[1:11:27 PM] Ginger Marks says: what about these PDF creators that make 'em look like pages turning? Is it worth it to force the reader to have to download new software, just to read your product?
[1:11:54 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I don't think so, not in my market.
[1:12:06 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I did use one many years ago that did that with a childcare provider market...
[1:12:12 PM] Ginger Marks says: They look so neat!
[1:12:31 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: But are ppl going to download?
[1:12:34 PM] Ginger Marks says: But I would be put off.
[1:12:51 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Most non-techs are terrified of downloading programs from the 'net...
[1:12:58 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: at least within the age group I work with...
[1:13:03 PM] Ginger Marks says: So, even though they are cool looking....don't get caught up in those.
[1:13:23 PM] Ginger Marks says: PDFs are the easiest to provide.
[1:13:31 PM] Julie Wolf says: so pdf is the most common format to deliver I guess.
[1:13:32 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: which pdf softwaree is easy to use
[1:13:36 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: the kids have no problem with downloads...they'll fill their machines with tons of stuff...but the over 30's not so much
[1:13:47 PM] Julie Wolf says: good point PK
[1:14:05 PM] Julie Wolf says: depends on the market
[1:14:06 PM] Ginger Marks says: However, if you want to sell them, then you might consider Mobipocket and Amazon's new Kindle.
[1:14:31 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Ha ha...everything depends on the target market...I swear I should get a t-shirt that says that...
[1:14:42 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: and just point to it a zillion times a day
[1:14:46 PM] Xarah says: to answer "download software" often those softwares don't work on mac, so if you bought it and can't open it ...
[1:14:58 PM] Ginger Marks says: LOLOL! Love it, Patrysha!
[1:15:32 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Right Xarah, Macs do not accept exe's
[1:15:32 PM] Ginger Marks says: So, stick with PDFs if you want to have a flexible product.
[1:16:05 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: and one ppl are most familiar with...even the older folks will have experience with those since most software documentation, manuals and so on come in that format
[1:16:11 PM] Ginger Marks says: So now we know how to use them, and what type to begin with, let's talk about how to create them.
[1:16:24 PM] Xarah says: yes, most ppl can open pdfs and are familiar with it, and they are easy to make
[1:16:28 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: name aan easy PDF prrogram
[1:16:40 PM] Ginger Marks says: Adobe
[1:16:40 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: CutePDF
[1:16:47 PM] Xarah says: word
[1:16:48 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: PDF995
[1:16:59 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Open Office will do it automatically...
[1:17:07 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: as will the newer Word programs I believe...
[1:17:18 PM] Xarah says: i write it, safe it, go to print and there i say "make a pdf"
[1:17:19 PM] Ginger Marks says: So once you decide on your topic, write it in Word or any program of your choice.
[1:17:31 PM] Ginger Marks says: Then convert it with one of the above programs.
[1:17:46 PM] Xarah says: i would write it in a program that has a spell checker
[1:17:53 PM] Ginger Marks says: The joy of creating a PDF is that you can add all kinds of fun things.
[1:18:09 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: how does word do it?
[1:18:11 PM] Ginger Marks says: don't just rely on Spell Check! Have someone proofread it.
[1:18:12 PM] Xarah says: like what?
[1:18:13 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Even with spellchecker...have a human editor or proofreader go over it too...
[1:18:24 PM] Ginger Marks says: Word doesn't PDF, Sandy.
[1:18:26 PM] Xarah says: sandy: write it, safe it, go to print and there i say "make a pdf"
[1:18:30 PM] Ginger Marks says: LOLOL
[1:18:36 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Great minds think alike again Ginger
[1:18:37 PM] Xarah says: of course, proofreader comes next
[1:18:39 PM] Ginger Marks says: Patrysha, right on!
[1:18:58 PM] Xarah says: and in my case: english proof reader too "is it english or is it Swinglish"?
[1:19:06 PM] Ginger Marks says: So, write it, proof read it, edit it.
[1:19:13 PM] Xarah says: Ginger, yes, WOrd does PDF at least the on on Mac. Get a Mac
[1:19:22 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: i have wd 3
[1:19:26 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: and dress it up so it's easy to read :)
[1:19:31 PM] Ginger Marks says: Then once you are done with those steps, get someone who knows how to make it look like a book do your layout.
[1:19:43 PM] Ginger Marks says: There you go again, Patrysha!
[1:19:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[1:19:56 PM] Xarah says: dress it up? what do you mean? pimp it?
[1:20:17 PM] Ginger Marks says: Xarah, we mean, make it look pretty. Add photos, color, etc.
[1:20:25 PM] Xarah says: sandy, then get open office, too
[1:20:36 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Yeah, could be called pimping I suppose...you want to make it pretty and naturally draw the eyes along and through the book...
[1:20:40 PM] Xarah says: ah, a nice book cover would be nice
[1:20:46 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: If you have a huge block of text it can scare people...
[1:20:57 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes, that and the interior layout are important.
[1:20:58 PM] Xarah says: paginate it
[1:21:03 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes.
[1:21:09 PM] Ginger Marks says: all of the above.
[1:21:33 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: pictures
[1:21:35 PM] Ginger Marks says: Who other than me offers book layout and design services?
[1:21:36 PM] Xarah says: maybe we should be quiet for a minute so julie can catch up
[1:21:45 PM] Ginger Marks says: lolol
[1:21:54 PM] Ginger Marks says: Julie, where are your two cents?
[1:21:55 PM] Ginger Marks says: lol
[1:22:04 PM] Julie Wolf says: thx Xarah... I was looking fro something up I had forgot about...

the only other option t pdf is something like what Internet Marketing Center offers... I found it
[1:22:36 PM] Julie Wolf says: Ill copy and paste it... I would Like your feed back
[1:22:45 PM] Julie Wolf says: eBook Pro
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* Books

* Catalogs

* Audio Presentations

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[1:22:58 PM] Ginger Marks says: for cover design, or book layout you can reach me at ginger.marks@documeantdesigns.com
[1:23:10 PM] Ginger Marks says: anyone else want to offer their services in this area?
[1:23:29 PM] Ginger Marks says: Wow Julie! Thanks.
[1:23:59 PM] Sue Dent says: almost caught up!
[1:24:05 PM] Julie Wolf says: Ginger does good work too... she did a layout for me once
[1:24:07 PM] Ginger Marks says: Ok, now what about Marketing your ebooks?
[1:24:08 PM] Sue Dent says: sorry Ladies, my mum called
[1:24:16 PM] Ginger Marks says: Thanks, Julie
[1:24:29 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: i can proof others work, not my own
[1:24:41 PM] Ginger Marks says: Bye Sue. You can read the rest in the archives on our website www.winningsisters.org
[1:24:41 PM] Sue Dent says: in terms of offering services, yes, I'm good at proof reading - ask Xarah
[1:24:59 PM] Ginger Marks says: k, so we have a proof reader too! Thanks, Sue
[1:25:01 PM] Sue Dent says: I'm back Ginger, had to speak with my mum, so I just took a while to catch up with you all
[1:25:11 PM] Ginger Marks says: ahhh!
[1:25:22 PM] Sue Dent says: I'm currently proof reading a project for Larissa
[1:25:27 PM] Julie Wolf says: Russ and I want a secure option... and are not sure a pdf on its own would do it... that is, a downlaod page (url) after PayPal payment... that does not change can be given away.
[1:25:40 PM] Ginger Marks says: How the heck is she? We've missed her.
[1:25:44 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I do, but generally in conjunction with writing them...
[1:26:00 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I would do it if someone asked
[1:26:11 PM] Sue Dent says: Larissa?
[1:26:17 PM] Ginger Marks says: Larissa.
[1:26:25 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: In fact, I did a proofread & edit job for a special report last week
[1:26:30 PM] Sue Dent says: She's fine, she's had computer challenges but has a new one now
[1:26:32 PM] Ginger Marks says: Patrysha, would you put your URL up?
[1:26:44 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: http://pkmarketingsolutions.com
[1:26:53 PM] Sue Dent says: Although, having said that, I haven't connected with her this week yet, so I hope she's still fine
[1:26:54 PM] Ginger Marks says: you too Sue, for the proofreading
[1:27:10 PM] Ginger Marks says: thanks for the update Sue
[1:27:25 PM] Sue Dent says: I don't have a website, it's just something I've started doing but you can skype me or email me at gaiaskid at yahoo.co.uk
[1:27:33 PM] Ginger Marks says: Holy smokes! that was about the fastest hour ever!
[1:27:35 PM] Julie Wolf says: I would love to help anyone with anything, IF i can find the time... Tue & Wed are my days off.
[1:27:44 PM] Xarah says: Yes, I recommend Sue for proof reading, she has to do it for me all the time :)
[1:27:46 PM] Ginger Marks says: lolol
[1:27:46 PM] Dreamcatcher Sandy says: see ya guys,; i hve new program... http://tweetglide.com/sandymorgan
[1:28:00 PM] Ginger Marks says: Let's do a quick bust a link before we run out of time?
[1:28:03 PM] Ginger Marks says: Yes?
[1:28:24 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: same as I just posted :) http://pkmarketingsolutions.com
[1:28:50 PM] Xarah says: that's a good idea Julie, if you have a paid ebook you don't want to go the download url viral
[1:28:53 PM] Ginger Marks says: http://www.DocUmeant.net
http://www.DocUmeantDesigns.com
http://www.theAuthorsAdvantage.com
http://www.TheHolidayMarketingGuide.com
[1:29:04 PM] Sue Dent says: I've just made my first website/capture page for one of my projects!
[1:29:06 PM] Julie Wolf says: check my Skype Profile to see what Im focused on (doesnt change often) skype:juliewolf?userinfo
[1:29:22 PM] Sue Dent says: http://amazonsue.blinkweb.com
[1:29:29 PM] Ginger Marks says: yes, good point Julie. If you find a solution, please do let us know.
[1:29:48 PM] Ginger Marks says: However, when you are giving it away to build your list, viral is good.
[1:29:51 PM] Julie Wolf says: thx xarah. Ginger.
[1:29:59 PM] Xarah says: and for once a busy hour
[1:30:02 PM] Sue Dent says: so glad to have been able to connect with you all.
[1:30:09 PM] Xarah says: www.xarahsblog.com
[1:30:27 PM] Ginger Marks says: Even if they don't end up on your 'list'. They can still end up buying from you.
[1:30:27 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Oh Julie...you can fix that with a shopping cart :)
[1:30:30 PM] Xarah says: www.youtube.com/xarahvme
[1:30:32 PM] Julie Wolf says: i want to look at amazonsue !!!
[1:30:51 PM] Ginger Marks says: Amazon only sells Kindle. No more PDFs
[1:30:57 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: With wahmcart for example, you can set it so the link is unique and expires within a few days...
[1:30:58 PM] Julie Wolf says: a shopping cart PK
[1:31:05 PM] Ginger Marks says: to sell PDFs try http://www.Lulu.com
[1:31:05 PM] Xarah says: skype:sarnetwork?userinfo ;)
[1:31:17 PM] Julie Wolf says: may we contunue for us late comers just a bit more Ginger?
[1:31:39 PM] Ginger Marks says: As long as anyone wants to stay feel free.
[1:31:44 PM] Ginger Marks says: I have to run.
[1:31:57 PM] Ginger Marks says: I'll put the entire chat on the website a bit later.
[1:32:00 PM] Julie Wolf says: perfect PK... thats what I wanted to know
[1:32:03 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: so they buy, get the download (and are added to your buyers list too if you have that set up) but they can only access it for a limited time and have to get in touch with you if they miss the window
[1:32:05 PM] Ginger Marks says: So we will all have access to it.
[1:32:21 PM] Ginger Marks says: Have fun, and enjoy your WINning Week, sisters!
[1:32:36 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Thanks Ginger...have an awesome week out there!
[1:32:38 PM] Julie Wolf says: Ginger, before you go .... what is the link where these chats go? I have never been there. (my bad... and about time for me to find out. ) ... I am Ssssssssssoooooooo slow.
[1:33:10 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: But yeah Julie, I think most shopping carts that are designed for digital sales will be able to accomodate you...
[1:33:11 PM] Julie Wolf says: (blush)
[1:34:06 PM] Julie Wolf says: great to know PK ...
[1:34:15 PM] Julie Wolf says: thx
[1:35:02 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: No problem...that is what we are all here for, right? To make each other's lives easier with what we've picked up from all our different dabblings?
[1:35:10 PM] Julie Wolf says: is it still ok to call you PK for short?
[1:35:20 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: yup. dem are my initials...
[1:35:32 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: the only thing I don't care for much is Pat...
[1:35:43 PM] Julie Wolf says: yes, and you are very well beyond me in making your own products
[1:36:01 PM] Julie Wolf says: Ok got it... no Pat, PK is ok. thanks
[1:36:06 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: well that would mean something if I was actually selling them...lol
[1:36:27 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I really have to revamp and stop giving so much away, but I can't help it!!
[1:36:41 PM] Julie Wolf says: no? ... what about that prodict I reveiwed last year... or was thata freebie
[1:37:13 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: which one was that? The buying online radio one?
[1:37:34 PM] Julie Wolf says: i know what you mean... I have planety to give away now... qhite a lot, but nothing to sell ...yet.
[1:37:46 PM] Julie Wolf says: im not sure...
[1:37:50 PM] Julie Wolf says: perhaps
[1:38:14 PM] Julie Wolf says: we can pm if there is not one else now I guess
[1:38:15 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: If it was that one never saw the light of day...I wrote it, had a few reviews done, but market was soft...didn't see a point in going through the trouble of launching it because I was already starting to head a different direction...
[1:38:29 PM] Julie Wolf says: Xarah... I pmed you before I came here
[1:38:37 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: same sort of thing happened with the publicity membership idea...
[1:39:07 PM] Julie Wolf says: oh dear PK
[1:39:09 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: that I launched but did not get a lot of interest in and only one paying membership...so I let it die...
[1:39:39 PM] Julie Wolf says: bummer... I still see you as successful though PK.
[1:40:01 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: me too..mostly because I never stop trying :D
[1:40:28 PM] Julie Wolf says: very good
[1:40:31 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: I am very much someone who doesn't see one (or even a dozen) bad ideas as failures...
[1:40:42 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: they all become part of the cosmic learning experience...
[1:40:45 PM] Sue Dent says: they're all part of the journey!
[1:40:53 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Plus I think I am pretty sure I know what I am meant to do now...
[1:41:03 PM] Julie Wolf says: I stopped Jan 1 2008, and have wanted to get back ever since.. not giving up, but not taking much action anymore
[1:41:51 PM] Julie Wolf says: what are you meant to do now PK? Im curious?
[1:43:21 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Creating Community Connected Commerce marketing programs - basically providing full marketing campaigns combined with customer loyalty cards, publicity and online marketing for groups of business owners in a defined geographic area...ie like my town's Shop & Win program
[1:44:01 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Share the costs, multiply the benefits :D
[1:44:48 PM] Julie Wolf says: sounds like an idea that I have had, as well as others... go for it PK!
[1:45:14 PM] Julie Wolf says: I like the word Community... and wish I could help local businesses do more online.
[1:45:36 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Oh if that is your thing, you must check out Offline Biz...
[1:45:59 PM] Patrysha Korchinski says: or if you want get in touch with me and we can joint venture my idea into your community :D
[1:46:00 PM] Julie Wolf says: well, just a fantasie of mine... but sure send me the link
[1:46:26 PM] Julie Wolf says: lets get over to a pm chat ...
[1:46:49 PM] Julie Wolf says: unless Sue, or nayone else. do you want to " listen " in ?

[3:53:09 AM] Xarah says: One point to ebooks: i think it's a good idea to include clickable links but i'm not sure how to make them without the whole URL (just a keyword that's clickable for instance)
[8:46:23 AM] Patrysha Korchinski says: Oh you can do that much the same as you do in an html document. I can do that in Open Office but have never been successful with older versions of Word (works in the program but not when translated to PDF format with an outside program)